tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post6000568329116460646..comments2023-10-08T06:24:07.089-07:00Comments on Seattle Bubble: On Luxury Cars and World Class CitiesThe Timhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14832570891451659976noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-36068150973674339262007-04-29T22:53:00.000-07:002007-04-29T22:53:00.000-07:00You've never been to NYC? You are just a baby, are...You've never been to NYC? You are just a baby, aren't you?<BR/><BR/>You shouldn't even be speaking on this subject if you've never been to NYC or San Francisco.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15816620426419989675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-41500725098312212942007-04-18T16:08:00.000-07:002007-04-18T16:08:00.000-07:00Sure seems like everything Seattle does, they proc...Sure seems like everything Seattle does, they proclaim it "world class".<BR/>The sculpture park, the rail system, and let's not forget the "world class" self cleaning toilets.Freakazoid Freddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17917751076745748919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-86700344022031327562007-04-14T16:32:00.000-07:002007-04-14T16:32:00.000-07:00I lived in Chicago all my life until three months ...I lived in Chicago all my life until three months ago.<BR/>Seattle is not Chicago, Chicago is not seattle.<BR/>Life in Chicago is quite fast, here in seattle, very slow.<BR/>I like it that way.<BR/>But Seattlites are pretty damned naive about big cities, most of the idiots at work don't believe me when I say there are places in Chicago you just don't want to go to, you could be killed because you are white.<BR/>I would like to bring them to one of these neighborhoods and drop them off, so they can prove/disprove my point. Of course when they do prove it, they won't be alive to know they were wrong.<BR/>Shame.<BR/>It is a nice city, not paradise, but nice enough.Jazon123https://www.blogger.com/profile/04045518850738917353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-56170044458269508232007-04-14T16:14:00.000-07:002007-04-14T16:14:00.000-07:00A world class city is one that does not call itsel...A world class city is one that does not call itself a world class city--others do. Ever hear any New Yorker try to convince anyone else that New York is world class? <BR/><BR/>I lived in Seattle from age 11 to 30, then lived in SF, Austin, Dallas, now in LA. <BR/><BR/>I do love Seattle, but it just ain no LA. That is just reality. <BR/><BR/>My family lives in Seattle, so sometimes I ponder moving back, but gosh, with my education, I just can't rationalize away those inflated prices, and well there is that rain.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238474064138462213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-92028240622625540002007-04-14T16:13:00.000-07:002007-04-14T16:13:00.000-07:00Since Vancouver BC only comes in with 2 points, Se...Since Vancouver BC only comes in with 2 points, Seattle seems to be well placed. Comparing us to cities with metro populations the same as our whole state (or bigger) is a waste of time.uptownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15613737262314224485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-20170609885649007452007-04-14T16:11:00.000-07:002007-04-14T16:11:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09238474064138462213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-17773659288772420182007-04-14T15:36:00.000-07:002007-04-14T15:36:00.000-07:00Wow, San Diego is no where to be found. Not even ...Wow, San Diego is no where to be found. Not even a hint of worldclassism. We're even ranked below Columbus and Kansas City. Somehow, I have a feeling I might be able to afford a home in one of those places.SDtoSEAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136237310849353301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-57039212630974388582007-04-14T15:20:00.000-07:002007-04-14T15:20:00.000-07:00The Seattle that produced Nirvana and the grunge m...The Seattle that produced Nirvana and the grunge movement 19 years ago was a place where people, even in nice neighborhoods wouldn't send their kids to public schools. Greenlake/Woodland park were littered with needles from the legion of junkies in the youth culture that produced the "Seattle Sound". <BR/><BR/>Funny how people look back and romanticize this because of the cred it gave the city. Today if some creative musician types decided to sit around the lake and do drugs in "Seattle's next million dollar neighborhood" they'd be quickly shipped off to Burien or White Center.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16830648627643608057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-18069362642447322472007-04-13T23:35:00.000-07:002007-04-13T23:35:00.000-07:00I forgot one more BIG civic event.1990 Goodwill Ga...I forgot one more BIG civic event.<BR/><BR/>1990 Goodwill Games.<BR/><BR/>That puts us on par with Atlanta and the 1996 Olympics. Right?Eleuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248482892459370601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-72354898997825162552007-04-13T23:34:00.000-07:002007-04-13T23:34:00.000-07:00I lost 10# laughing my ass off when I read that as...I lost 10# laughing my ass off when I read that as far as "world class cities" go...<BR/><BR/>Dallas - 6<BR/>Seattle - 2<BR/><BR/>I never thought I was 'slumming.'<BR/><BR/>Seattle snobs like to compare themselves to NYC, and SF, but they are behind Dallas, Minneapolis, Miami, and Atlanta.<BR/><BR/>As far as sports championships go...I would say that Seattle has only one since the '60s ('79 NBA).<BR/><BR/>Dallas has 5 SuperBowl championships and one Stanley Cup.<BR/><BR/>There really isn't anything funnier than deflating pretensions.<BR/><BR/>Tooooooooo funny!<BR/><BR/>When the three biggest civic events in the last 120 years are:<BR/><BR/>-Gold discovered in Alaska/Yukon (not in Washington)<BR/>-1962 World Fair<BR/>-Local NFL team loses SuperBowl<BR/><BR/>...you have to think the city has a lot of growing up to do.Eleuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248482892459370601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-80493533758198097152007-04-13T15:31:00.000-07:002007-04-13T15:31:00.000-07:00Hi Christina,The Rain City Guide post you're refer...Hi Christina,<BR/>The Rain City Guide post you're referring to is from Ardell...not me.<BR/><BR/>And, I think Seattle is fantastic. I spent most of my life growing up in Renton. My family is buried at Greenwood where Jimi rests. I spent a few years living around CA and summers in Dallas, TX. I know why we goofy Seattlelites are excited over our green.<BR/><BR/>We do need to figure out transportation. That's where I think we're lagging compared to the other cities.Rhondahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11416064204013419247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-19110666978870432922007-04-13T15:16:00.000-07:002007-04-13T15:16:00.000-07:00"they have Washington DC as a gamma world city wit...<I>"they have Washington DC as a gamma world city with only six points?"</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, I grew up there. Sounds accurate to me. It's a major city, but it's not a <I>major</I> major city. Without the fed buildings it wouldn't amount to very much at all. It's got one hell of a suburban sprawl, though.refractedthoughthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03103011487719993293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-9080312944577420952007-04-13T14:55:00.000-07:002007-04-13T14:55:00.000-07:00I disagree...1) Mayor Nickels has done more for ge...I disagree...<BR/><BR/>1) Mayor Nickels has done more for getting shit done in this town than any of the last two since I've been around<BR/><BR/>2) We have a handful of 40 story apartments in the works - Tarragon, and Urban Partners developments among them.<BR/><BR/>3) Bellevue and seattle are complimenting each other, not competing and no one in seattle wants to compete with bellevue...Bellevue is essentially wanting to be more like urban and the BDA has forged a partnership with the DSA to work on things like transit availablity and walkability.....Bellevue wants light rail having seen how much excitement is brewing in seattle over Central Link......and Seattle embraces Bellevue's urbanization - as the east side embraces urbanity we are much more likely to move forward with progressive policiesflotownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811489236750260275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-32449207391139912272007-04-13T14:54:00.000-07:002007-04-13T14:54:00.000-07:00Econe - I have a MB S550. I was skeptical at first...Econe - I have a MB S550. I was skeptical at first because a few years ago I got the new SL500 which spent every other month in the shop. I swore I'd never buy a Mercedes again. The new S550 is really different & really nice car. Fast, responsive 380HP engine, with a really quiet interior. I was debating either the S550 or the Lexus LS460. I chose the S550 because it looks sleeker than anything else. I get compliments on the looks all the time. I agree, there are a couple trim items that are plastic Chrysler cheap, but overall the leather, electronics, engine, and soundproofing are top notch. <BR/><BR/>I agree the 911 holds up well, but then again, when I buy a luxury car, I want something that's cool and new. Don't want an old porsche.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Tim - Didn't read that. But I get irate anytime people think that Lexus/BMW/MB are not worth the money. Didn't mean to take it out on you.Chucky Cheesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05021278037313675409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-53288412883289425972007-04-13T14:40:00.000-07:002007-04-13T14:40:00.000-07:00I moved from Seattle to Chicago but I'd still put ...I moved from Seattle to Chicago but I'd still put Seattle above most the cities on that list. You've got to account for the rate of growth in importance as well as level of importance.<BR/><BR/>SF's heyday was 40 years ago now. And Boston? Harvard, sure, but name a Boston band. Or a company.<BR/><BR/>Seattle competes favorably with just about any city in the world with the creation of new and valuable ideas:<BR/><BR/>Nordstrom/Eddie Bauer/Customer Service<BR/>Good Coffee/Bread/Reasturants<BR/>Microsoft/Amazon<BR/>Way above average design and diy spirit<BR/>(not to mention Boeing, REI, and eco consciousness)<BR/><BR/>and of course:<BR/><BR/>Jimi Hendrix, Nirvana, Quincy Jones, Heart, Pearl Jam, Grunge, etc, etc.<BR/><BR/>For my money it's hard to name another city outside maybe the top five worldwide that has incubated and executed that kind of economic and cultural value in the last thirty years.<BR/><BR/>Which of course makes it a very appealing place to live. Plus, cars move, real estate doesn't.<BR/><BR/>BTW, people here start going misty-eyed when you mention it never snows in Seattle. I'm not sure they realize what the winter entails, but they certainly seem ready enough to pack it in--at least in February.Wiz-ELhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06732307163785109976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-88502002159990692532007-04-13T14:03:00.000-07:002007-04-13T14:03:00.000-07:00That Wikipedia world city list in general is prett...That Wikipedia world city list in general is pretty good, but there is one glaring SNAFU that makes one question their methodology: they have Washington DC as a gamma world city with only six points? The capital of the world's most powerful country is lower than Madrid, Sydney, or Singapore? Give me a break.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12392288826388903607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-80424473808983240452007-04-13T13:47:00.000-07:002007-04-13T13:47:00.000-07:00Methinks that Chucky Cheese got bored and didn't b...Methinks that Chucky Cheese got bored and didn't bother reading past the first paragraph. Otherwise he would have seen this: <BR/> <BR/><I>...comparing Seattle to New York or San Francisco is just as ridiculous as comparing my Saturn SL2 to a BMW or Lexus. They're just not in the same league.</I>The Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14832570891451659976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-44888441797232781262007-04-13T13:45:00.000-07:002007-04-13T13:45:00.000-07:00Chucky Chucky Chucky.I used to be an auto adjuster...Chucky Chucky Chucky.<BR/><BR/>I used to be an auto adjuster in a past life.<BR/><BR/>Saturns...although they become rattletraps (older ones) due to the snap on body panels...have held up surprisingly well in my experience with totalling them out.<BR/><BR/>Lexus makes a reliable but boring car.<BR/><BR/>BMW...better than a Lexus IMO but still quarky...especially the I-drive.<BR/><BR/>MBZ?...jeeze...even the S class is pulling parts from the Chrysler bin.<BR/><BR/>What have I found to be the best "investment" when it comes to cars.<BR/><BR/>Air cooled 911's with the exception of the 74-77 models.EconEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03366126036963024056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-77258429745602811172007-04-13T12:25:00.000-07:002007-04-13T12:25:00.000-07:00http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/02...http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/0202/cover.html<BR/><BR/>This article is a few years old, yet is extremely good...really. It goes into Portland, Vancouver & Seattle. Seattle should follow the path of these two cities...if our elected officials could ever make up their mind one way or another darn it!!! <BR/><BR/>We should build 50 story apartment buildings downtown Seattle & Bellevue (not just condos…did I really say that?) Thus the density of a, ready for it, A World Class City! <BR/><BR/>Ok I don’t believe Seattle is world class (more like world last), as we never stand our ground on any position and change direction like the wind (or rain). We need a Mayor with a brain for integrating the city together with everyone else, Seattle is not the end all of King County…just look at Bellevue!Financehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10942862156434184911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-47476304289566386392007-04-13T12:12:00.000-07:002007-04-13T12:12:00.000-07:00Ok, not to be elitist or anything, but are you ser...Ok, not to be elitist or anything, but are you seriously trying to compare a Saturn to a luxury car? Have you ever driven a BMW or a Lexus? I've owned shitty cars all the way up to high end luxury cars, and I can definitely tell the difference.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever seen a compact sedan like the Saturn after a crash? It's squished. Look at a BMW 7 Series after a crash...it's dented, but in tact.<BR/><BR/>I know the analogy you're trying to make, and I agree with what you're saying, but geez...A saturn is just an American-made piece of shit. There's a reason why GM is suffering. There are people who will buy GM's and Saturns, but once you've driven a BMW 7-series, Lexus LS460, or a Mercedes S550, you will know the difference.Chucky Cheesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05021278037313675409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-19816512328999421932007-04-13T11:40:00.000-07:002007-04-13T11:40:00.000-07:00Bubbleheads love the saturns because they don't ge...<I>Bubbleheads love the saturns because they don't get stolen from apartment complexes like a honda or toyota.</I><BR/><BR/>What this poster forgot to mention is that when one moves to a downtown condo and becomes a homeowner, all the Toyotas or Hondas that park there in the shared garage are protected by...a MAGIC PINK ATTACK PONY!<BR/><BR/>(note: any renters in the complex...better own an undesirable car like a Cavalier. That pony ain't protecting your ride).<BR/><BR/>Ah, the benefits of homeownership. Too bad my rented place has a one-car garage for my Subaru Outback. (sniff, sniff)Puget Sounderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00869332354829053297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-62700812623473787572007-04-13T11:25:00.000-07:002007-04-13T11:25:00.000-07:00christina,Thanx for elaborating. I wasn't getting ...christina,<BR/><BR/>Thanx for elaborating. I wasn't getting your intended meaning with your original comment on housing boom - bust cycles.Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11828480316508814814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-9105461021605700532007-04-13T11:05:00.000-07:002007-04-13T11:05:00.000-07:00I get the impression that you believe that current...<I>I get the impression that you believe that current home prices in the Seattle area are really not that far out of line, comparatively speaking.</I><BR/>When we're using exclusively a set of West Coast cities greater than or equal to Seattle's population, correct.<BR/><BR/><I>I personally have a problem with the disparity between median family income and median home prices (condo + res). It's around 6X right now in Seattle. I just do not see how that is sustainable. </I><BR/><BR/>Ditto. I personally have a problem with my friends being unable to buy a home. Thankfully they have a stronger sense of security than a sense of panic and are waiting it out.<BR/><BR/><I>So you're saying, stop whining, get used to it, that's the way it's going to be?</I><BR/><BR/>No, terry. Don't put words in my mouth. I stand by my claim that the median price for a SFR in Seattle is cheaper than Vancouver or San Francisco. I can even type that with a straight face having read through HBB, oftwominds, calculated risk. I don't believe making that statement, nor the fact I own a house in Seattle automatically puts me in the denial camp. I'm saying that I've lived through a boom-and-bust cycle in another city, that cities with any kind of economy are not immune to booms and busts, even cities that have the misfortune to be situated in a country with the largest deficit in the world and a devaluating dollar, and if people cooled their heels and waited for the opportunity to buy a home they could stand to live in and also afford, their patience would be rewarded. How does my acknowledgement and experience of bust cycles put me in the "unsustainable prices are here to stay" camp?<BR/><BR/>We tried to put a house on the market in 1990 for $175,000 in Vancouver, during the bust, and nobody bought. 17 years later that house is valued at $875,000. A bust will come again -- prices are already cooling where I live. I <B>want</B> home prices to come down, I expect them to. I'm telling my antsy pals who will listen to wait until 2008-2010.Christinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08343258421596733177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-30385740348248932992007-04-13T10:51:00.000-07:002007-04-13T10:51:00.000-07:00Your google skills might not be up to scratch Ah, ...<I>Your google skills might not be up to scratch </I><BR/><BR/>Ah, yes. my search was "quincy jones garfield"<BR/><BR/>now back to our regulary scheduled programming. I am just DYING to hear more about median prices.Deejayohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09392753896126085751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15223784.post-80746564620380334562007-04-13T10:47:00.000-07:002007-04-13T10:47:00.000-07:00"no mention of Bremerton..." - deejoyahI was just ..."no mention of Bremerton..." - deejoyah<BR/><BR/>I was just bustin' balls yo. It's pretty funny to think that QJ lived in Bremerton.<BR/><BR/>Your google skills might not be up to scratch though as typing in "quincy jones bremerton" brings up 77,000 hits.<BR/><BR/>including these flashy <A HREF="http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/photocredit/achievers/jon0-059" REL="nofollow">bremerton jr. high band uniforms</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com