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Monday, October 12, 1981

Thursday Open Thread

This is your open thread for today. Please post random links and off-topic discussions here.

5 comments:

Eleua said...

biodesielchris,

Not everyone is Warren Buffet. Heck, even Buffet isn't always Buffet.

You will get a lot of cheap advice on this forum. Most of it is good. If you want another free tidbit, consider this:

I have seen many people (myself included BIG TIME) that have lost their ass trying to squeeze the last dollar out of an investment. Anyone that tells you that they routinely sell at peaks and buy at bottoms is practicing prevarication. Nobody is that smart or lucky. Just be glad you didn't do the opposite - which is very easy to do.

Happiness and peace of mind are not always dividends that appears on quarterly reports to Wall Street. They are the most valuable dividends you can get. Best of all, they are tax free and can't be confiscated by the trial lawyers.

Nolaguy said...

From one of my favorite economic blogs:

I think people are going to eventually lament that they hadn’t considered the illiquidity of real estate. Generally if your positions are small the investor/trader can move in and out of the market (stock, bonds, commodities) without disturbing it enough to affect his price.

Normally real estate is illiquid. Normally most unsophisticated investors don’t borrow against unrealized gains in their stock portfolios. Even if bond prices go back up to all time highs, can the general public afford home prices today without an unconventional, risk laden mortgage? A return to “normalcy" in housing markets will doom consumer spending. Why would corporations expand when demand for their products is contracting? What’s left to inflate or re-inflate? Those that speculated and those who bought who couldn’t afford to will find themselves caught in the illiquidity trap. Unrealized gains will turn into real losses magnified by leverage.

The dot-com bust wiped out the public. Few got wealthy. The rush to real estate was based on the sure thing concept mixed with desperation. People with no historical context began to repeat mantras (It always goes up) as if hypnotized. Perhaps it is the fear of having to join the 66% of Americans who retired into poverty mixed with the greed to live beyond one’s income that drives people to such irrational behavior.

The implications of what is happening in the housing market should be making people nervous. It is not. Even bears are starting to get edgy about missing something and jumping in (irrational bulls). The early bears positioned short and are getting squeezed and have to buy to cover short positions. And those stops sitting just above the all time highs provide plenty of liquidity for professional traders to liquidate into. The public thinks, “Hooray the stock market will save us from the housing debacle.” The trap is set ready to be sprung.

Greed is not confined to hedge funds, their clients and corporations. It is in everyone who wants something for nothing. Money is made at the U.S. Mint; the individual must earn money. The individual that gets conned does so primarily because he believes there is an easy path to riches. This mentality drives people to live off credit cards and to buy more house than their balance sheet indicates they can afford. This mentality encourages and allows populist politicians to manipulate the markets to strive for economies without recessions. Greed stimulates people to believe they can borrow their way (consumptive debt) to wealth. How else could any rational being believe that the price of anything always goes up? Let the irrational rally continue, we’ve slain secular bear markets!!! I will rush out right now and buy that 600 sq. ft. condo for three quarters of million dollars. Yeah, right.

As always, the public will stay too long and when the inevitable happens they will be worse off than when this all started. The manipulators can play the game as long as they can. The longer they do the more terrible the consequences.


http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html

wreckingbull said...

Amen brothers and sisters...

This is not a contest to see who can time the market perfectly, although dalas would want you to believe that. Personally, I sold a year too soon.

This is about living your life with a little sanity and responsibility. To me that means not taking out a 500K ARM on a 2-bedroom shack in North Ballard.

The lunacy will eventually end and we can all make our own decisions as to whether or not OK-to-buy light is illuminated.

Reason trumps timing any day of the week.

Speaking of lunacy, I think tonight is the 'grand opening' of Hjarta. I stopped in last week and learned that you can pay 1.3 million to live in a Penthouse above the Denny's and Seven-Eleven on Market and 15th.

whetherforecast said...

biodieselchris --- As others have noted, NO ONE can time the markets. I have a pal who lost virtually all his money (millions) in the tech burst. Eternal optimism, like eternal pessimism, can be a curse. Yes, there is a happy medium - you seem to have struck it.

MisterBubble said...

The "grand opening" of Hjarta??

That'll be something to see, considering that it's still just a pile of construction rubble.

(There's a nice little unbrella and chair on the top right now -- perhaps that's the penthouse suite!)